Whats the hangup for SA? Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. I used to have a TRP. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! I dont expect everyone to feel that way. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. I hear you on that Ruger. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? When you sell high dollar items like firearms, it is really, really, unbelievably stupid, to piss off your customer base at rebate time. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. No offense intended. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. You are both dead to me now. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? AND started planning to move out of the state. It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. So how is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy? My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. So, S and W are also dead to me. Good for them. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. Neither excuse is a proper justification. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Its called doing business. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Who Makes Rock River Arms? I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. it I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. January 2023. thats the one ive just stopped considering. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. An XD and its in .40? Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Hopefully this boycott will pass over with minimal job loss to the common machinist. Well, said. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. Accurate and precise for Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. We feel that IFMAs The company makes a wide variety of weapons, And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. See below for more information. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. Those bastards. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Could be paperweights. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Boom. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Cant beat that! Except they are both under different ownership today. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. Fight it. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Hugely disappointing. Get a Dan Wesson instead. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. I.e., Target blamed climate change on revenue misses. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. As if they want to implode. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Sorry for the spelling error. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Shame! But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. I dont think youre using that word right. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. Pick something and follow it. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Advertise their treachery. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. No guilt trip on my hip. They ignored it. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. We do not need traitors in our midst. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I think probably not. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. Yuge. Last Updated. AR-15 Parts. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. In the world of .308 Win. WebA similar thing happened with Yeti and the NRA, where Yeti ended their NRA-specific discount program but included them in a broader discount program. If you dont like their price dont buy. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Might want to rethink Ruger as well. This is a digital day/night scope. What part of their history am I missing Gov? Good luck RRA. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. business or not your customers are your lively hood. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. I checked my order history. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, CTD is my last choice. Its a freakin disaster. Was also saving up for an m1a. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. Make the bill political kryptonite. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, Maybe they should look to Beretta. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. That is sooo repetitious! People Of The Gun have long memories. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River The licensing fee? Of course there will be others that benefit as well. Web50%. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. Out of stock Compare. Rock River LAR-8 .308. Very close to where I grew up. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. Dont know what will replace the EMP4 but I bet the TRP itch gets scratched by a Dan Wesson. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. Such a thing exists. Oh, hell no, he told me. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. Please, spend your money where you want. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Damn shame. You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. 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