its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Thanks! Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Its horrible. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. He is a monster. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. His integrity shows through all the time. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Blood Alcohol. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. 2. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. The Watts murders got to me also. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! Chris only saw things with one lense. Police saw a bed sheet. She was not drinking! Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. I did. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! This would explain how she didnt fight! They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? There are no words . He just switched. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. I am by no means defending him. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. I lived with one. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. He was all over the house. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! Mucho menos que estaba enferma. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. What are the odds???? MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. I just dont understand this. RIP Angels. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? He vacuumed twice a day. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. They manipulate, connive and plot. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. And where do you think he did it? As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. But then whats your scenario? Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. I wore my bra at night sometimes as well while pregnant because they become larger, heavier and more tender. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. Just kind of odd. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. The attack was pure power and violence. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? What about rigormortis?. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. This guy had some sort of mental problem. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Celestes was similar. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. How was she with her phone? Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. Police reports contain a conversation Chris had not had the affair, he would not killed. 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