So for me it helps me to know hey this person is still excited on this and wants to do this thing so were ok. It also varies depending on how close my relationship is with someone. People who know me know Im a call or text ahead person. Things have changed since I was young. ", (Hearing some people may meet a club this weekend) "Oh okay. I know a lot of friends who would hate to have that surprise. If I could find an excuse, I felt guilty about turning her away. The vast majority of pies are not baked to shame the nonbakers. Ever. 2023 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media, All Rights Reserved. It was a wide social group that had a mailing list where events were announced, generally one or two a week, and there were pretty established protocols for the types of event (drinkies = earlier, no dancing, quiet enough to talk and socialise; parties = later, music, dancing, acceptable to get drunker; anything else all details laid out specifically). *and also fishies* Would you like to hang out at the mall on Sunday. So, yeah, dont do that. A lot of it probably is the presumption of intimacy of showed up at my house compared to showed up at my work. My bathroom at home is also the guest bathroom and I kind of want to tidy up slightly embarrassing but totally normal hygiene products before someone uses it? Lets see I have body pump at ten stop at the store home at noon, shower yeah how about one, one thirty? do not show up at 12:30. Its not that hard not to bring occasions to which another person wasnt invited in front of them. If the LW did the same here, e.g. My friends are well aware that they can show up. They will never ever have to believe that they are inherently bad at being people. FWIW I think your manners were fine, and your reading on the situation of friend vs SO is pretty socially ept. But as a baseline, I would never assume its okay to interrupt you for social reasons during the time when you are engaged in meeting your professional responsibilities to your employer.. The usual time of arrival for Santa in your home is . I personally find it sad, as so many times the reason for wanting to end a friendship is based on miscommunications that were left to fester until the only thing left to do is demote the other person to an outer circle, or cut them out of ones life altogether. Guy: Alright! if people are really always deflecting blame away from themselves and harming the relationship, there are ways to get that point across gently, as part of a dialogue, without silencing. In your case, maybe it would help if you tried throwing out lines like if you have any advice, feel free when discussing your problems? I try to host people in my home every so often just so that I have the excuse/motivation to do this kind of cleaning which I then enjoy all by myself for several days after. My personal flag system (to go with the Captains examples above) doesnt include any Yellow Flags, because I prefer to err on the side of missing out rather than accidentally inviting myself to things. It's a public place. And if Im in the area of someones place I dont ask to go inside, I usually ask if they want to go do something (usually whatever I was on my way to do anyway). I shame-clean in front of people all the time. This. I dont even know how to make polite noises. We knew we disagreed on a few things, knew we were different people, but the love and support was always there until it wasnt. They may have to entertain an unwanted guest when they'd rather be doing something else. when I was in high school: I own a phone for my convenience, not yours. I apply this to the doorbell as well. So yeah if you want me around youre going to have to TELL ME THAT, or Im going to mope at home wondering if Im inherently unlikable. Youre not the queen and they have shit to do. thats okay. Its the soft no issue. SERIOUSLY this is a big one for me. (Polite noises can be Anyway, it was good to see you; I guess I should head out and let you get back to stuff?), I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends.. I consider my house a family and friends and me place, and that works just fine. 5,121 views Aug 1, 2012 40 Dislike Share Save Carli Olson 11. I'm Chris Macleod. We should still be friends!. I actually wanted to start dinner like an hour ago. So then I instinctively want to police myself away from being That Person, etc.). Or kids may not be up to remembering that they cant schedule for X day/time because actually theyre supposed to be doing something else that was scheduled ages ago; yay timetable clashes! Similarly, if a bunch of friends meet every weekend to take part in some group activity, there may be an unspoken invitation that anyone who's interested in the same thing is welcome to come along and join in. If youre her friend and she likes you, she actively enjoys unexpected knocks on the door and quick visits that end up taking the entire afternoon. Letter Writer, I hope this gives you some clarity, and lets you put your dads mean voice in your head to rest. Of course, people who don't pick up on that assumption may unintentionally feel excluded. No matter how close we are. I am a very cuddly person; if we are on hugging terms, 99% of the time I want a hug. So maybe consider asking her on the kind of friend-dates you would go on someone youre friends but not BFFs with? The closer you are the more you can get away with, but some people wont like it regardless. Its what I try to do, thats when the comments about being silly comes in. I chose stay and keep playing bc, as a naive young thing, I thought that being offered that option meant that option was available for me to choose. Take care of yourself, okay? Showing up to someones house even 30 seconds early there is no lobby, and shame-cleaning is a thing. So, my mother has started beseechingly claiming that she doesnt care about mess in my apartment. If you could just not do that, that would be awesome. So we were both missing eachother and thinking the other didnt want to be friends anymore. Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time.. The default should, IMVHO, probably be dont surprise anyone in their sanctuary, be it a dorm room, apartment or house, without them specifically saying that you are welcome to drop by any time, using their words, and unless your rules are similar and also expressed clearly, using your words. Needless to say, the other person they were secretly dating turned up while I was still there. Her invitation to her casa is the next step to a fling or long-term relationship. Pare it down to the necessities. Don't just say, "I was thinking I could come over on Friday." Methods of inviting people out You can invite people out face to face, over the phone, by texting, by email/app message, or through a chat window. Id appreciate any words of wisdom you can share. And if he invites you over or comes to keep you company, then you are a clear winner in this situation. Im not even inviting everyone on the ministry team (I lead sung worship) there are a select few Ive invited, and there are several friends who have been invited but cant make it, and its only natural that we do discuss the wedding (its a church wedding, so obviously we discuss it in church! Agreed. Big +1 on the relevance of the increasing distance here. You didnt do anything wrong by issuing invitations, but either the other person isnt interested enough to make you a priority, or they are interested but dont have the bandwidth right now to make you a priority. I was always transgressing somehow and he would get so angry, and I was always left thinking, wow I have no idea why we are in this situation. It might just be easier to never mention social plans around her, but thats not really a sustainable optionis it? They would assume that they were invited to share meals with us if they happened to be over at our house when we were about to eat. Remember to be yourself and be cool and casual during the conversation. There was often a pattern where Kid One would ask permission to invite Kid Two over, their grownups would give permission, the kid would do the actual inviting, Kid Two would ask their grownups for permission, Kid Twos grownups would only give permission if they were able to give Kid Two a ride if needed, and then Kid Two would accept the invitation and visit Kid One. Its definitely a different dynamic from things like uni friends where its a smaller and tighter group that you hang out with them in person all the time though. Does she ever reciprocate, either by visiting you or by explicitly inviting you? If Im doing my stuff and dont have the emotional currenncy to make awkward small talk with an acquaintance in the street Ill darn well duck behind a tree and hide. So many different points of view in the comments! but even adults have feelings, and if you expect someone to be your friend you should treat them like one. I was actually discussing the music for the wedding with the person who would actually be playing said music, so not even just a casual conversation about it; it could hardly have been construed as a taunt given that she was the one who came over and inserted herself. Admit it, neither one of you wants the date to end. might no longer be. People might suffer my presence, but a lot of invites were basically to everyone in the group but me and maybe one or two other fringe members. Either way, I am put in the position of doing something I may not want to, or forced into having a difficult or awkward conversation about how or why I dont want to do that thing with friend. The more initiative my friends show, the better. It should never sound like you're begging to come over to his place. However, in todays society, things have shifted and women are taking initiative too. Thats seriously a thing?? I have a friend who does this. I used to live in a basement apartment. How to get invited without asking If someone is talking about plans around you, you can try to drop hints to prompt them to invite you. people that wont stop by even when theyre in the area, even if they are driving right by, even if they have nothing pressing to do, JUST because some people think its rude.- Do you actually know thats why, though? I actually thought about the nude Brazilian implications but I couldnt figure out a way to phrase it that didnt include them. I did nonetheless feel foolish I hadnt thought to use it! Hey QA, I had a relationship with someone who would get similarly furious if I turned up early or unannounced and I eventually realised it was part of a wider tendency to controlling and emotionally abusive behaviour (and with another ex it was that plus masking infidelity). For the chronic advice-givers, this usually takes me repeatedly saying I know youre trying to help, but Im just venting right now so I dont want advice, thanks. I used to get REALLY angry about it, but eventually I realized that most people arent my horribly abusive family: they are genuinely trying to help, and will stop once you tell them that its not helping, rather than continuing until you start crying uncontrollably and agreeing to do whatever they say. Surely thats just cleaning? To me it reads a bit like the way that some people think all eating is shame-eating: like, in an ideal world, we would all just exist on sunshine and oxygen, and would be beings of pure air and never need to wash our clothes or our living spaces, and any need for calories or the removal of dirt is something to be ashamed of. If the LW texted and asked if she could come by, thats definitely still inviting herself over. Yes, arkadyrose, thats true. Or if anybody has a disability of any kind (including being non-neurotypical, as in my familys case) adult support may be needed if only for scheduling and transport. I announced a Rule that anyone who shows up early is working, and the next time those same bachelors showed up early, I handed each one a chore. Visit with the parent while the kids bash about. Im not the kind of person who would appreciate a random drop by. If someone is discussing a plan in front of you, they know youre there! Or maybe what I was doing would have seemed less interesting than an SO in the living room. Looking back on it I can see my mother had some pretty serious anxiety issues that we kids had no clue about at the time, but the whole thing has had a lasting effect on me. Kind of like enthusiastic consent enthusiastic social engagement invitations are not the same as passive or silent asset to host/ failure to resist a self-invitation. Also, LW, Im sorry to say this but it sounds like your friend is trying to pull a slow fade. LOL! It was normal to just knock on their door on our way back from class to see if they were home/wanted to hang out. We have a mutual friend who does this semi-regularly, and I love him, but I am a little feral cat and unexpected intrusions into my territory make me antsy for the rest of the day! And I wouldnt get to bake! If you enter an already-going conversation specifically about a wedding I dont think you can claim that the topic is there to taunt you about what youre missing out on. Im still trying to find the adult language to be, like, NO, your roommate-with-whom-I-am-only-casually-acquainted is NOT automatically also invited when you come visit and stay in my apartment in my new city, h-how, why, why would you think that would be the case? butmore kindly. Eh. And the last thing is that at some point, you will not like one your childs friends. 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