But the insoles are very comfortable and have molded to my feet nicely. I guess the issue is that I've not worn an English shoe before. Im afraid Im not great on recommending sizing issues like that. The quality of the leather isnt as good as Crockett and Jones, but is far superior to my Barker and Loake shoes. Pinky toe pinches a touch, * **Meermin Bob** 8UK a hint loose at the heel, but snug at the forefoot, * **Meermin Elton** 8UK very snug to start, much more comfy now, * **Meermin Olfe** 8.5UK could've probably gone down to 8UK but is still pretty comfortable, surprisingly not too slippy. Carminas Quality Control is definitely another trait that makes these shoes better than Meermin shoes. I have to say from personal experience I found Berwick to be the most incredible value. The shoes have a slim bevelled waist (stitched all the way to the heel), a close-cut heel and a leather heel stiffener. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. Guessing I'd need 9.5D or 9EE. Thanks Simon, great work as always. Its just the next level up. Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. With 10.5D, my feet are usually swimming in the shoe. in 9D my feet can slide right out. The last is generally nicer, finer finishing elements are nicer, fewer corners are cut in certain areas, etc. Some of the shoes on sale are factory seconds and its not something they outrightly advertise. Morjas, and the other Swedish brands Myrqvist and Skolyx, all use leather board heel stiffeners. I acknowledge I am emotionally attached to AE, it was the first quality brand I could access. Although the quality is nothing to write home about, they are incredibly comfortable. Im really tempted to name and praise (as opposed to name and shame! "Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which aren't as good as Spanish brands in general. The dress shoes classics hold their own. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Its a standard Goodyear shoe, with no fuss. Allen Edmonds on the other hand has been declining in quality. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. The high end, aspirational item is necessary too and will always be a hallmark of your site, but I believe you have wisely corrected a too marked journey into luxury where many less of us could have followed. Tanks, if you will. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. Best fitting shoe I own, after a couple wears I can sport these for 20 miles with no hotspots. Noel: That was the point I was trying to make, when I wrote: whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. Foot extends past footbed on sides. For example, I got two new boots from the UK this week: a shell Carmina balmoral at just over $500 USD and C&J Galway 2 at just under $390 USD. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. Great Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mostly great fit but too much heel slippage. No real complaints, but I haven't tried them in quite a while. Ive undergone a career change and offices in the US have become more and more lax about dress standards, even prior to 2020. I have handled several other pairs of C&J and this quality to the leather is consistent throughout. Im surprised not to see JFitzpatrick in the Spain list. Less so in the winter. Please support us by using them. Id love to step up to Crocketts as Ive heard great things. Ive a pair of Barker Grant that I must have worn 50/60/70 times and its only last week I had a topy (SVIG rubber) put on, the cobbler reckoned the rubber on the heel hadnt worn enough to warrant replacement. I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. Grant Stone Oliver 9D: Great fit. This means that in our Goodyear welted shoes you are likely to go down 0,5 size compared to what you wear in Meermin Hiro. I would also add that instead of trying to prove potential readers wrong, you might accept criticism gracefully and might have more success by doing more research and improving your writing. Cross posting in case any regular readers of this thread can help. Take for instance Santoni, Prada or S. Ferragamo. The heel is the most notably roomier and the length actually seems to be the same. TLB Mallorca: I own a wingtip on the Alan last. I must admit, my original motivations were more around my budget limitations, but I think I am also strangely more attached to them having visited the factory (the same site since their manufacturing started in the late 19th century) and learnt about their provenance. Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. Its a company started in 2014 that I discovered today. 9.5D heel to ball, just a smidge under 9.5D on heel to toe. Ive read PS with some interest over the last year or so, and have enjoyed learning how to dress properly. I have dainite soled storm welted trickers penny loafers and also commando soled stows, and I cant see myself wearing them much with anything aside from jeans or super casual chinos/corduroys. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Its just not possible.. Worn with normal dress socks. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. However, when I visited meermin pop up in London, I dont think I would ever get a black box calf from them! Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. Regarding AE, theres certainly been a change since their most recent acquisition in 2017. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. For the price of a brand new AE Id rather get a pair of C&J or Carminas for a little more. However, always be careful about brands that give the impression their leather is the same quality as the top makers. Vass, TLB Artista, even Meccariello. The comment is only in reference to leather. The Rain 7.5EEE was okay but not great - more tight than comfortably snug, and I'm not sure if they would break in well for me. Ive just received an email from Herring Shoes announcing that Church Shoes Ltd have decided to increase their prices to reposition their brand at a higher price point. They have a lot of life left in them. Do you like the mor traditional English or contemporary French style more? Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. I mean, things can go wrong, I see no problems with that, but then it has to be handled properly and fixed (Ive had a finished pair redone from two different makers, in one case it was since an error was made on one of the things modified on the lasts from the fitting shoe, on the other a small damage happened when the lasts was pulled. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. The quality of the leather is identical. A very useful piece for me as Im slowly getting into the joys of proper shoes. Steve. In general, I think this breakdown demonstrates that you still largely get what you pay for with shoes. In particular, if you're interested in this price bracket, check out his buyer's guide here. You may learn more here. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. Its also (if im not mistaken) the only brand that advertises the fact that they use full-grain leather from reputable tanneries on all their shoes (admittedly, based on the price, they probably use the cheaper cuts of leather, but from those tanneries nonetheless). Most of my shoes are Crockett & Jones because of the great customer service and the consistent quality. If I could make a bespoke last from these shoes I would. Focus were on shoes below 300, Carlos Santos nowadays is a bit above that, but definitely good for the price. I dont cover the other brands on this list normally either. Some of it is differences in leather and lined vs unlined, but a lot of it is lasting differences. Eastman MiM Camp moc in CXL: 10.5D, took months to stretch but fit amazingly barefoot or with thin to medium thick socks now. Good arch support that's sculpted to he foot instead of the PNW Ladder rung shape. Edward Green)? Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Break-in was tough. Will they last much longer? If you are in the market for a pair of elegant footwear, Id recommend for you duly consider buying the Carmina shoes. Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. heel and instep grips without the toe being too restrictive, * **Edward Green 82** 8.5UK pretty good forefoot with too much heel slip. Fit seemed good at first but toe box is just too narrow for extended wear. But if the heel is good to start with, it doesnt matter so much if it can flex and adapt. I wear a US10/UK9 and opted for a UK9, on Pepe's recommendation, and the fit is spot on. E.g. Free shipping for many products! When I complained I was told The second pair is always better ! Worn sockless. To be clear, I dont know what they use. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. Significantly roomier fit than the 65 last so, even though they don't fit my foot shape well, they're reasonably comfortable. Morjas is similar in having a cleaner make, and is a touch more expensive than the other two. This is very useful, thank you. Meermin shoes are classy shoes that are just so unbelievably functional and cost-effective for the price that they come for. Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. My understanding is that AE is below the likes of Crocketts in terms of make, but thats based on the input of people like Jesper who know more about them than I do. They used to offer calf leather and Goodyear welting at incredible prices though the soles would wear quickly and their shops recommended Topy. * **Gaziano Girling TG73** 8.5EUK comfortable but slight pinching at pinky toe, * **Grant Stone Leo** 8.5D super comfortable boot last, bit roomy, * **Joe Works JOE-0** 8UK instep too low - v gap in oxford laces, * **Loake Capital** 8UK snug with room at the toe, perfect fit, * **Lof and Tung S** 8UK great fit though instep is perhaps a bit high, * **Mattina N** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain, * **Mattina C** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain. So I have never needed to seek an alternative, and have been fortunate never to need to spend more than 500 on a pair of shoes. I was about to replace my decades old AE McAllisters with a new one, but upon inspection, the newer shoe (same model) had wonky stitching and sloppy finishing. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). For I recently started to be more careful about how I track my wardrobe spending. Crockett & Jones, Churchs, John Lobb, Joseph Cheaney etc. AEs MacNeil is the epitome of wingtips imho. . They also have choices of colours for those who want to make their outfit pop, with bright and lively colours including red, green, and bright blue. My 20 year old AS are still in great shape as are my relatively newer C&J France doesnt have the shoemaking tradition of the UK, Spain or Italy, and its brands like Loding or Orbans are all made in Spain and Portugal. (Vibergs cxl is different to Thursday boots cxl.). As someone who has purchased a few of these brands, I found this article to be very interesting and accurate. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. Not sure I'd feel the same today. Personally, I like their lasts quite a bit. Not a thick sock last. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. Red Wing Moc Toe: 10D, narrow in ball of foot. Interesting ! White's 50/50 9D: This is now one of my best fitting lasts. Loake make some shoes in India, 1880 range is made in UK. Vanity may well be part of the explanation, its hard to say. It is tough to find quality hand-welted shoes for the price that Meermin shoes are being sold for. Exceptional quality and the best quality shoes I own. G&G is easy. Alexander 9E/9.5D: Excellent fit when worn sockless. A very nice pair of black cap toes on the Eton last but far to hard to break in. These are sockless only. Sizing as 10E and filling in vertical space as needed seems to offer the best fit, without any of the above problems. Boot socks. So, in summary, if you look at the price, most of Carmina's shoes cost 329 or 395 or $475, and for that amount of money, the range of last you get is quite good. Trickers are by no means accessible by price point (especially in the US) but get a pair from the outlet and you still have a pair of tanks that will last you for at least a decade. Alden Barrie (lined shell): 10D, a little snug at the big toe but great in the ball and very supportive overall. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. The quality of the leather and overall construction is superb. When weve returned to normal I might need a trip to Spain to try on a selection from Carmina, Meermin and the other brands suggested in this article. After further research I stand by my words. Please support us by using them. There is a great day out to be had (or was) visiting the factory shops of the main makers in and around Northampton. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. Last shape feels similar to Parkhurst 10 and Viberg 9.5, except toe is slightly longer and more tapered, heel is snugger, and it's much roomier throughout the instep. *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. C&J do not run their own shops. Buy Meermin shoes today because of how affordable they are. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Youre right, the second pair are a little more casual, but I think either would be OK and personally I prefer the shorter apron of the former. As mentioned in the top comment, we were focusing on shoes under 300. A lot of side to side play in the ankle. Meermin shoes are cool and stylish as well, but, they are however not as stylish and cool as the Carmina shoes that are distributed in this present moment. Ive around 20 pairs of Carmina, 2 of C&J mainline and a dozen of C&J hangrade. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. I think shoegazing is largely irrelevant since the information it provides can be gathered more reliably elsewhere. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. I found it a source of much misinformation. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. You always get something more for your money (if you avoid big brands/designers) but the best value-for-money options will nearly always have been selected already by the cheaper brand. They look nice to me, but as I have only been buying shoes from British shoemakers, I am unsure whether their last may look showy or unusual comparison. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. Although classed as subs, most of the time you would be hard pushed to see why. Its the same width as the 8.5E, but just a smidge longer and is perfect. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Similar wide heel to the 1035. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes when all things are considered. So lets see. When you see and feel the quality that you are getting with these shoes, Im sure that you will feel pleased with your expenses. This article, then, is an analysis of the market for mens dress shoes below the Crocketts Handgrade level - all informed by Jesper. The class that you are getting for Carmina shoes is of real excellence. In addition to the Artista line you allude to, they also have a great customization program. Goto-san requires tracings to be sized in these and you really should have them done. Ostmo Moe 43.5: Tried these on and this was a bang on size. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. Ive found having slowly worked my way up the chain that in terms of value for money, its Cheaney, Trickers and Alfred Sargent which have ultimately paid off. Either as a good value buy for one who is unwilling or unable spend more, or, as a gateway purchase into the world of fine mens shoes. Its a helpful round up, especially since I find this price bracket to be a sweet spot for my own purposes. All leather if even sanded a tiny bit to remove flaws in the skin is corrected. Viberg 310E 8.5: Roomy in all directions but toe ball lines up with lowest part of the sprung toe forefoot and widest part of foot lines up with widest part of boot. Im a student in Sweden and I have worn a couple of the brands mentioned in the article (and in the comment section) during the last couple of years. With that said, the number of good bespoke shoemakers that will make sure to both deliver good fitting and very well-made shoes is still very high in the world. I have a pair of Berwick chukkas and theyre pretty decent but they also dont feel as good to wear as the AEs (personally I wish Id spent more money on a higher quality make, but the store was out of C&J chukkas at the time). Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. 3. The quality difference was like night and day and Id have no hesitation recommending the Loake 1880s as a good budget shoe. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. Should fit most people TTS. Other than that, interesting article. AE is placed well below C&J and Carmina, lacklusterly portrayed together with cheaper brands, and tied with Loake. G. F. G. . Berwick has become very popular in recent years, particularly in Asia, Russia and elsewhere. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. Tried an 8.5E on a 2014 manufactured pair and its better than the modern ones, but the taper is a bit more aggressive so I'd prefer a 9 in much older or "OG" 2030. If one do good research ahead of placing an order (not just go by brand names and heritage, doesnt work anymore in the bespoke shoe world), choose a brand that suits ones style and preferences for shoes, the chance youll get your best shoes ever are very high. 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